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May 1: Oracle and Community Involvement

Dammit, I'm going to have to start writing about Oracle again! Even worse, it's not technical but (cough) opinion and analysis :-(

I saw Justin Kestelyn's blog last week and my immediate reaction was slightly sympathetic, but I decided to sit back for a few days and watch the fun develop, particularly as I'm spinning a few plates this week.

To save you some time, here are a few more links.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=4947

http://www.accmanpro.com/2007/04/30/attention-starved-oracle/

http://www.nbrightside.com/blog/2007/04/30/attention-all-oracle-bloggers/

http://scobleizer.com/2007/04/26/oracle-cant-get-blogging-respect/

http://scobleizer.com/2007/04/27/note-to-oracle-not-me/


Full disclaimer first. This will never be an Oracle Apps, SAP or Salesforce blog. I've spent over 15 years avoiding being an Apps DBA, apart from the occasional enforced spell and the prospect of fiddling around with customisations chills my heart. Therefore, I have absolutely nothing to say about SAP or their online presence.

One lesson Oracle could learn, though, is how to make CRM software cool. I must be getting old but when I hear people getting excited about Web 2.0 solutions to help businesses sell T-shirts more efficiently I have to wonder what got these people involved in IT in the first place. Better CRM software, is that the best they can do? Aren't they just trying to be the next software giant and will they really be any different to Oracle once they are?

On one of Justin's points ...

There appears to be the perception out there that either this community does not exist, or that if it does exist, it must be "centrally controlled" by some evil PR mastermind - and neither assertion is even remotely accurate.

I can't comment on Oracle's internal blogging model, but I have zero contact with Oracle (although apparently that's a problem, which I'll come back to in a minute) so they exercise no control over what I say and have never tried to influence it. I can't make that claim for others, of course, and they might try one day for all I know.

What might add some more interesting fuel to the debate is that I once tried to encourage more Oracle people to blog and the single reply was completely negative! Why? He's a coder and he felt blogging was just a distraction ;-)

So maybe Oracle should have a close relationship with external bloggers? Eh? Once Oracle start inviting bloggers to private press briefings are we sure that the result will be a feedback loop, leading to improved products? If so, I'm all for it. However, I can't help thinking that a formal blogger relations program has a hint of, ummmm, bribery about it? Maybe I'm being harsh, but the world is full of largely uncritical writers enjoying their travel expenses and free drinks whilst raving about how release blah-point-blah will change the business landscape or perfume X will change your life.

(I suppose there was a brief moment the other night when I was wearing my Oracle ACE fleece and ordering The Boys to bring my tea to me on a silver tray when I considered praising Fusion, but then I forgot.)

Frankly I'd question anything Oracle give me for nothing and it worries me that others seem to place such a high value on a software vendor's invitations. Of course, I'm keen on attending Open World, could use a nice holiday and attend some presentations but I really don't see why Oracle should have a particular conversation with me because I've got a naturally active mouth, rather than speaking to their big customers. Unless, of course, they're keen to keep people "on message"? God, I'll be getting an invitation to tea with Tony Blair next (and he'd get an even less positive response).

Mmmm, the more I think about it, isn't what I'm doing here much more to do with 'community' than any formal blogger relations program?

What don't I like about Oracle in my personal dealings with them? Erm, well if they made the 10g 'automatic' tuning features part of the base product, I'd probably settle for that and feel I'd performed a genuine community service. Really, it's a little embarassing to offer XML and Java in a database for nothing, but not the best server monitoring tools.

I'm always conscious of being in a bit of a minority, though. I have to rack my brains for the times I curse Oracle. I hear it all the time from people I work beside and those in the community who I respect, but I've just never had those strong negative feelings myself. Bugs? Patches? Security Updates? Are you *sure* other companies are so much worse at addressing these? I struggle to see it personally, although it's fair to say that you pay pretty handsome support fees for the privilege!

It's also true that I'm not in the software purchasing role, so price isn't a factor for me personally. If it was, I'm sure I'd be more of a MySQL fan.

What do I like? Well, when I listen to the excitement reverberating from the recent MySQL conference (a colleague just returned and I know a couple of other guys who attended), I can't help thinking, god, if you guys knew what Oracle could do, I wonder how excited you'd be? (In fact, some of them do and when I say, so how does it compare to Oracle, they all agree, 'oh, it's miles behind, but it's getting there!'. Bizarre.)

That goes to the crux of this issue. Oracle aren't cool but, frankly, I don't care. What I care about is that they make a hell of a database server and when someone comes along and shows me one that's much better, I'll say 'wow, cool' and start blogging about that instead. Maybe it's the software that counts? Anything else is just noise.

Yeah, I'm a dinosaur ;-)

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#1 - Marco Gralike said:
2007-05-01 13:02 - (Reply)

We are getting old Doug; Eh grumpy? There is a lot to say about Oracle that would me make emotional, but I can't help myself, I still love it.

So (the best medicine for us old men), just enjoy the sun (http://www.liberidu.com/blog/?p=73), enjoy the important stuff in life and yeah it was brilliant weather yesterday in Holland, so I did enjoy it ;-) (http://www.liberidu.com/blog/?p=76).

#1.1 - Doug Burns said:
2007-05-01 17:26 - (Reply)

Ah, Marco, we've only met briefly, but you know me well ;-)

There is a lot to say about Oracle that would me make emotional, but I can't help myself, I still love it.

Yeah, and that's central to my point. I don't think a 'Blogger relationship program' will ever be able to manufacture passion, will it? Sure, Oracle are a corporate giant and I don't doubt for a moment that they behave badly at times but, if I like Oracle's software, I just like it. I can't help myself.

#2 - Dominic Delmolino said:
2007-05-01 14:05 - (Reply)

Some of the "name" bloggers don't feel like Oracle is "treating them with enough respect", and so it's easy to bash Oracle and praise the companies with "formal blogger relationship programs". I'm with you on this -- I don't need "free coffee mugs" and "invitation-only" events to feel special and blog about Oracle accordingly. Some of these bloggers need to get over themselves.

#2.1 - Doug Burns said:
2007-05-01 17:29 - (Reply)

For what it's worth ... 'getting over yourself' is one of my favourite phrases/concepts. I'm not sure I always live up to it, but it's a constant watch-dog!

#3 - Scot 2007-05-01 16:56 - (Reply)

Slightly off the primary topic, but regarding your MySQL friends and the cost of Oracle. Have you seen the (relatively recent) cheap licensing options Oracle offers for Standard Edition (not to mention Standard Edition One or the free Oracle Express). Retail is a one time fee of 15K per proc for SE (less for a limited number of years), and who out there actually pays retail anyway?

Dual core chips cost the same as single core chips! Do folks who use any other database realize how much you can do with a 2 node Oracle RAC setup, each node having 2 dual core processors?

Slap some decent RAM in there, use ASM which is free on top of a scsi array(instead of an expensive SAN and disk manager software) and, as my 20 month old likes to say, VROOOOM.

#3.1 - Doug Burns said:
2007-05-01 17:36 - (Reply)

Actually, Scot, I think it's pretty much on-topic (Is there an 'on-topic' to balance the 'off'?)

Dual core chips cost the same as single core chips! Do folks who use any other database realize how much you can do with a 2 node Oracle RAC setup, each node having 2 dual core processors?

Even though I've been realistic (I was going to say 'less than positive') about RAC in the past, I think if you took a positive, technical view of it, it would blow the alternatives out of the water. I attended a MySQL clustering presentation not too long ago and, if that's clustering, you can keep it!

Maybe that's a central component of this issue, too? That the natural attitude of most of the people I meet in the Oracle community is vague pessimism, as opposed to vibrant optimism?

#4 - Justin Kestelyn 2007-05-01 18:01 - (Reply)

Great comments re: blogging relations programs. Yeah, the approach we have taken until now is the "If you love something, set it free" one.

This approach does not necessarily work very well in the blogosphere mainstream, however, which as you know is Powered by Ego.

#4.1 - Marco Gralike said:
2007-05-01 19:47 - (Reply)

This approach does not necessarily work very well in the blogosphere mainstream, however, which as you know is Powered by Ego...

Oh, come on Justin..."Powered by Ego"...I don't think so. I mean, probably a lot of blogosphere people out there, just do it for fun, to write down a experience, get rid of some irritation or, for instance, try to pass some knowledge.

But sorry, I don't see something which is "mainstream" / "Powered by Ego". There are some exceptions of course, and the one I know, are privileged to...they earned their merits.

#5 - Noons said:
2007-05-01 22:59 - (Reply)

"It's also true that I'm not in the software purchasing role, so price isn't a factor for me personally. If it was, I'm sure I'd be more of a MySQL fan."

Well, I'm in that role. And let me say just this: from where I stand, MySQL makes no sense whatsoever and SQL Server makes a lot.

And we got the databases to prove that: well over 100 for SS, 6 for Oracle.

Despite the fact that we are officially a "mixed db" shop, whatever that means.

Mind you, it's not just my decision.
But it's very much what I've been seeing in NSW for the last 5 years. On and on.

Sure, all sorts of arguments put forward by Oracle "marketeers" as to why I'm wrong.

But facts can't be ignored: 6 against 100+. Simple as that.

I warned Oracle this was going to happen, when they locally decided to ditch all support and contacts with the folks that traditionally pushed their product in the market place, back in 98-99. Well, it's paid back now.

Yes, the blogsphere doesn't give a hoot about Oracle. Mainly because Oracle forged on with the j2ee crap for 7 years, ignoring all objections from their user base. Worse: making sure they discredited anyone who didn't toe the company line.

And now they wonder why no one cares?

Yeah, right: cry me a river...

#6 - Justin Kestelyn 2007-05-02 00:27 - (Reply)

Marco, of course there are. I was just making a general statement.


For every person motivated to "pass knowledge", there is another one who enjoys being comped. (This is not unique to bloggers BTW; plenty of other people do too.)

#7 - Jeremiah Owyang said:
2007-07-23 12:25 - (Reply)

I realize this thread is two months old, but I've been following this conversation about Oracle and Community for some time.

This report recently came out, that demonstrates why social media is so important to IT decision makers.

It may aid you in spearheading Oracle's movements forward

http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2007/07/23/it-decision-makers-find-social-media-valuable-the-corporate-website-needs-to-evolve/


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